Link to original Norah Vincent article, The Advocate, June 20, 2000:
http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/819/819_vincent_persp814.html
WARNING: These letters are unedited and some contain exceptionally strong language.
Kay Williams
Pamela Miller
Gender Voyagers support group
Santa Barbara, Calif.
Coming hot on the heels of three transgender murders in the last ten weeks, the June 20th issue of The Advocate features columnist Norah Vincent attacking transsexuals for “mutilating their bodies.” I though we had gotten past this Janet Raymond/Germaine Greer hate of transsexuals thing, but now I see that this is not true. When will the Gay Establishment stop hating us? Haven’t you learned anything about us in the last 30 Years? When I walk down the street with my female partner/wife the world sees two lesbians, and that’s all. Why do you need to make more of this than that? If you had a shred of decency in your whole bodies you would give us several pages of rebuttal in your next edition. Do you?? Is it mutilation when Gay Men fist fuck each other into bloody pulps? Is it mutilation when Lesbian Dykes pierce their bodies anywhere they want to? Is it mutilation when David Letterman gets quadruple by-pass surgery? Where is freedom to express who we are the way we want to? Even if it includes surgery. Why do we need the Advocate to hate us out of it, and preach to us about what you obviously know nothing about!! When Dykes give themselves buzz-cut hair and dress in men’s combat boots and men’s military shirts, why are they considered women and not TV’s? Who’s putting them down for it? You talk about Stonewall and then dump on US! Talk about being PC; Why do Dykes have to look like men! I’m no more a “PC language policeman” than anyone else. What is Ms. Vincent raving about here? Why do Gay’s and Lesbian call themselves that! Why not abolish all sexual orientation labels altogether? Why have gay culture, or gay identity, or gay pride? As far as “oppressive stereotypes” I’m no different in how I live my life than any other woman. I work, I take care of my children, I love my partner etc. If there are any oppressive stereotypes here, it’s the ones that the Advocate and Ms. Vincent are propagating about Transsexuals! Advocate get your act together! Get over it!! Stop hating Transsexuals!
Joyce K Cooper
Kim Cooper
Jamison Green
Emeryville, Calif.
Ali Lemer
New York, N.Y.
I’m a pre-operative male-to-female transsexual. I have lived full time as my true self, a woman, for five years. During this time I have attended a number of gender support groups & met a number of transsexuals, both pre & post operative.
It has been my observation, that in my case, and in the cases of many of those that I have met, that we start out early in life knowing two things. First of all, we know deep down inside of us that the sex designation found on our birth certificate does not mirror our inner understanding of who we are. You’ve probably heard this before. Secondly, we really, if there were some way, would LOVE to have been born into the gender that we know we are in the first place! If this had happened, we would have fit nicely into society. When I say this, I mean that most of us would have been heterosexual in our love choices, as is the case with the majority of the general populace.
So, to say that it’s the goal of most transsexuals to use means to achieve the goal of fitting into society at large as the gender that we truly know that we are is correct. We really don’t want to stand out, call attention to ourselves, or be perceived as weird or different. To do this would be masochistic. But, in the case of many of us, there are just too many visual and others clues for society to notice to make it easily possible to “just fit in”. We would love it if this were not so!
As a result of this inability to fit in nicely and be our true selves, a number of us have chosen to make ourselves known and to talk with legislators, city officials, and company heads about achieving the fair treatment and respect that most Americans take for granted. After all, we need to have income, just like anyone else, so that we can have our needs met.
On the subject of sexual attraction, I find it amusing and sometimes sad that others feel that it’s their “duty to decide” for us who we should be attracted to and have relationships with. In my case it would be difficult for those who “choose to decide” whether I have done it correctly in my choice of a partner to be in a relationship with. You see, I’m legally female, and have an “F” on my driver’s license. My partner is legally male and has an “M” on her driver’s license. She is bi-gendered. So, here goes--Are we heterosexual based upon our driver’s licenses? Are we gay based upon the fact that we both have “outdoor plumbing”? Are we lesbian in that we present to the world as a female couple by how we dress, act, and refer to ourselves? Dont’ you see how unfair, and for that matter, uneasy it is to go around making decisions for others about who they should be attracted to and have relationships with? The world is far too diverse to feel that it’s possible, or necessary to do this! Instead, can’t we all just enjoy being citizens of this wonderful country and really be given “permission” to enjoy “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”!?
Thanks so much for reading this letter. I hope that you will find it worth printing. I hope that it will clear up some of the confusion that others seem to have about us.
Please feel free to email me if you need to understand the points that I have alluded to, or others that I left out to save space.
Sheila Mink
Transsexualism has been well documented for many years. Recent advances in science have allowed us to see it as more than a mere psychological condition. An article recently published describes studies done on M2F Transgenders that clearly show certain brain structures that closely resemble the structures of a genetic female. A region in the hypothalamous known as the BSTC has been found to be markedly different in males and females. Transsexual M2F’s have been shown to have BSTC’s that closely resembles or matches a female’s.
I feel that Ms. Vincent is wrongfully attempting to justify the hate that has been occurring. Transsexual people are murdered on an average of one a month, and simply because they are doing what all of us have been taught to do; just be ourselves. I suppose for many Transphobic people, it would be completely irrational to push hate on a group such as intersexed people because that has clear medical documentation. TS people are no different than those born with a birth defect, and seeing it any other way is clearly just discrimination. The only difference between both sexes is simply half a chromosome and hormone levels. It is society that primarily classifies how we should behave and act based on how these hormones shape our body. It amazes me to see that discrimination can occur on such a level, and disappoints me.
I suppose it is okay to change gender on a baby that was born with an outside birth defect, but the inside ones just don’t count??
I suppose it is okay to change gender on a baby that was born with an outside birth defect, but a birth defect not readily apparent is body mutilation?
P.S. - In response to the recommendation that Trans people live androgenyously; Would the editor of this article like to live androgenyously?
Thank you for your time and consideration to this unfortunate situation.
Melissa
Kelly Burdick
Lubbock, Tex.
Dallas Denny
Unknown to you and apparently to “The Advocate” staff as well, it was a handful of QUEENS who began the Stonewall Rebellion. Interestingly enough, it is the case that often gays and lesbians are attacked by bigots because they are perceived as transgressing gender norms. Clearly, therefore, it is in the interest of all queers to fight for transqueers’ rights. After all, ALL OF YOU non-transgendered queers are the target of gender bigotry as well as us.
Do the entire movement a favor, and stop attacking the victims.
Kim Rogers
Given the degree to which The Advocate and its owners dominate the national queer press, it might be nice if you would use your space a bit more usefully. I can think of 3 recent murders of transgendered people that deserved a lot of space in your rag. That page could have been used to remember their lives, and to honor their tragic deaths.
Blaming transexuals for confusions between “sex” and “gender” - and worrying about all that power that we transexuals weild - is amazingly Reaganesque. Here’s a clue for the Advocate - dont use us as your scapegoats anymore, and stop colonizing our lives and our bodies.
As for giving advice to transfolk about how to live - well, Vincent makes a fine Dr. Laura. But next time you want a column about transexuals - why not hire a transexual? Go on, we promise to use “sex” and “gender” properly. We could even arrange to keep those evil, draconian PC police from knocking on your door at night.
Stacey Montgomery-Scott
David
Under the guise of saving the purity of our language Dr Norah hands out advice on how Transsexuals should and shouldn’t live their lives.
The most important part of it for her is the sanctity of one genitals. Even intersexed individuals should hit the public showers and take the beating in stride so she can have her pure English language. What kind of nonsense is this?
It sounds like the same old lesbian hate tirade we’ve come to expect from people who think shaving their head is a liberating experience that will bring the greater good to all. Or at least all women. It doesn’t
Why does Dr. Norah think that the burden of not “reinforcing oppressive stereotypes” should be placed squarely on the shoulders of transsexuals alone? What someone has between their legs is their business not the purview of the Advocates or Dr Norah.
When 99% of the people on this planet have a basic physical construction that every 7 year old knows about, that is not a “fashionable version of the opposite sex and gender”. It is the reality, and transsexuals should have the right to achieve congruity between their bodies and spirits without constantly being oppressed by the Gay establishment for it.
There is a general archetype for what is a male and female body, true enough. However, an archetype is not a stereotype.
The best plastic surgeons that do gender related work try (and in a majority of cases succeed vary well) in making a person look only like the right-for-them gender version of themselves, Not bimbos in pinup magazines.
Unless Dr Nora is a Christian Scientist, and refusing all medical attention, she has no moral high-ground for her grin-and-bear-it positions.
The Advocate has done a hateful and egregious wrong to the transgender community and especially to transsexuals by publishing this twisted and violent missive. Will there ever be a time when it allows Transgender and Transsexuals to speak for themselves in print to address these lies and misconceptions?
People in Glasshouses... the Gay establishment has a long way to go.
Joyce K. Cooper
Moutain View, Calif.
None is better than the other, and no one will ever get to convince the other of the better judgement to one choice. Even those that get to like the taste of both -at the same time or at different stages of their life- fall far short from being anything close to the truth. In any case, palatal rejection of ripe fruit should not lead to its condemnation, nor counter clockwise experience.
When we ask for tolerance, we are being far to conservative. We must demand unarguable acceptance, fight for upright unquestionnableness and live for pleasure in any case. Ms. Vincent: start by seeking for happiness under your own tongue, and if necessary by checking sweet and sour and how it feels. Visit sweetness when you’ve made your choice, but do take in account that you are only welcome if you are looking for the mutual joy and right to be of all.
Enrique González
strawberry-loving human being
Caracas, Venezuela
I don’t think you queers can afford to call anybody a freak, just take a long look into the mirror.
Stacy Sofia Siivonen
A straight freak womanoid
Parroting the bankrupt fundamentalist screed of Janice Raymond’s The Transsexual Empire, Norah Vincent reveals her distinct inability to think up an original form of ignorant, bigoted hate speech.
Vincent accuses transsexual women and men of “mutilating their bodies”. What does she think of the Religious Wrong (I cannot bring myself to call any fundamentalist, either “Christian” or Ms. Vincent, “right”) who claim that women who have abortions are desecrating their bodies and murdering unborn children? In Ms. Vincent’s ossified world only nontranssexual women are allowed to control their own bodies, and transsexual women and men must, in denial of all medical developments that allow us to realize our fullest human potential, relinquish control of our bodies to her identity policing. If transsexual women and men are to eschew the medicine that makes us whole, then shouldn’t nontranssexuals decline treatment for AIDS or breast cancer, and simply accept such conditions as a womanifestation of the way things are supposed to be? Vincent’s nonsense that medicine is a welcome, wonderful way to help people be as whole as they can be, but not when it comes to transpeople, is disingenuity at its most insidious.
Coming from a Women’s Movement that owns a lioness’s share in the invention of politically correct language (it is helpful to recall the ridicule and resistance to the introduction of “Ms.” as a form of address, and the sapphic euphoria at the debut of “womyn”) Vincent has the gall to charge transpeople with being “the most draconian arm of the PC language police”. When is it wrong to create language that is sensitive to the way any people growing toward wholeness self-identify? To me the development of sensitive language for emergent, self- identified people is merely an evolution of good manners; to Vincent it seems that linguistic evolution needs to have terminated in 1970, as a means of anointing separatism with a halo of immutable dogma - to serve the same fundamentalist purpose of so-called “Christians” who interpret scripture to suit their inflexible view of a fixed state of revealed “truth”. Any dogma that harms others is unforgivable. In Vincent’s world, it is the dogma that leads people by its leash; in the world I work to embrace, it is people who tame dogma in order to free all from ideological prisons, so all can realize their full human potential.
When she wrote that transsexual people “reinforce oppressive stereotypes” Vincent generalized, lumping people unlike her into her rigid Weltanschauung of “us and them”. In five decades on our planet I have never met a stereotype. I’ve met individual humans, each of whom is different from all other humans - and that goes for gays and lesbians too, from Log Cabin Republicans to Lesbian Avengers. I’ve met oppressive people who, in search of a warm-fuzzy excuse for their bigotry, frantically strive to cram humans who do not fit their rigid world-view into tidy little boxes. I’ve learned that a person’s exterior does not tell the sort of person they are, that it is what in people’s hearts that counts. Is Vincent so shallow as to judge all transpeople - and Goddess only knows whom else - through the distortional, cheap-shot lens of stereotyping? Regardless of gender, sexual orientation or any other self-identification, I’ve met evil, as well as good, individuals; and I’ve only encountered stereotypes - of lesbians or transpeople or any other persons - as narrow, predominantly negative generalizations. It is blindly dogmatic, inflexible, intolerant fundies such as Vincent who invited the equally dogmatic and myopic conservative court jester, Rush Limbaugh, to accurately, if irreverently, characterize her perfervidly judgmental ilk as Femi-Nazis.
Like Vincent’s orientation, my being a transwoman, is not a matter of choice. Like her and every other human, I and all transpeople, simply are. Who transpeople are, and how we grow to wholeness at no expense to others, is not for Vincent, or for anybody, to say. As has Vincent, so have transpeople the unalienable right of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. How we transpeople grow to our wholeness is nobody’s beeswax, just as anybody’s sexual orientation or decision to have an abortion or, Goddess forbid, to watch an episode of Will and Grace without retching, is nobody’s beeswax.
A stunning insult to intelligent, mature people is Ms. Vincent’s assertion that transpeople should decline the wholeness of flesh and spirit that most nontranspeople, from birth, take for granted. Vincent blandly calls for transpeople to reject the surgeries that confirm who we are, that allow us to own bodies that do not lie to ourselves and to others about who we are, that allow us to realize our full human potential. Her admonition is especially gratuitous in the light of many religions declaring that it’s okay for homosexuals to be homosexual, so long as they do not act on their homosexual orientation. I wonder if Vincent will soon practice Catholicism: after all, by her condemnation of trans health care she demonstrates the requisite Jesuitical rabidity for the post of Grand Inquisitor.
It amused me that Vincent forgot to recycle the separatist (yes, Virginia, separatism is just another “ism”, another tired, feeble view of the world as “us and them”) silliness about transwomen being incapable of growing to womanhood because we were “socialized as men”. To believe that conditioning alone, without an inner sense of selfhood, makes people who they are is to believe that a liberated convict in a meadow will walk only five paces before jailhouse conditioning compels her to change direction. It’s as absurd as believing that a lesbian, closeted till she came out, cannot be a lesbian. In Vincent’s nightmare world only nontranssexual women and vetted gay men are allowed to grow, to self-realize: all else are denied that intrinsic human process. On this point Raymond and Vincent cannot have their cake and eat it too: when transwomen behave with a sense of our power as women they condemn us for exercising male privilege; yet when some of us behave as our femme selves they condemn us for perpetuating “oppressive gender stereotypes”. For the Vincents and the Dr. Lauras of the world only the biologically pure, the dogmatic select, the true Aryans, can occupy the moral high ground.
Vincent has yet to learn that stereotypes neither oppress nor liberate - they only reveal the inability of those who wield them to let go of “us and them” non-thinking, the non-thinking of those who willfully reject responsibility for their own shortcomings and failures, and who brook no credit for any but their anointed ideologues. It is individual people who oppress - or liberate. Responsible, positive, human-friendly change begins with each one of us exercising the freedom to grow, not with Vincent’s “us and them” ideology.
It’s healthy to be wary of demagogues such as Vincent who demand tolerance for their peculiar queerness while they treacherously oppress those they themselves will not tolerate. I am tired of all the “us and them” people who claim to “celebrate diversity” while their actions betray that they really mean “you can be diverse, as long as you’re diverse like me”.
No person or power has been able to erase the delightful range of sexual orientations or gender variance from human experience. And Vincent’s recycled, vacant Raymondisms have no such power. When I look inside a Vincent or a Fred Phelps, I see the atavistic antagonism of the early humans in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey, creatures whose feeble, frightened little-box minds are incapable of evolving beyond “us and them” to the progressive, harmonious, embracing realm of “We”.
Jordynne Olivia Lobo
St. Louis, Mo.
Toni Poole
Traverse City, Mich.
Amanda Smith
Tacoma, Wash.
StephniLee Libby
Seattle, Wash.
Vincent should recognize that transsexuals are not about the task of “reinforcing gender stereotypes” or (necessarily) being “revolutionaries.” We want to feel whole in our own bodies. We seek to create a world in which people are free to choose their own particular gender expression. We seek nothing less than complete gender freedom, which strikes me as a very revolutionary goal.
As a non-transsexual, Vincent has no right to prescribe (and proscribe) what transsexual lives should look like. Setting herself up as an “androgenous” role model for transsexuals is deeply hurtful and thoroughly insensitive. In almost every sexual encounter, I experience a palpable sense of discomfort and anxiety with my male genitalia. How exactly can I be “androgenous” in bed anyway? In her arrogance, Vincent goes so far as to denounce genital surgery, an avenue to bodily and sexual wholeness for many of us.
By presenting us as self-mutilating freaks, Vincent has buttressed the hate filled atmosphere in which one gender queer is murdered every month. Thanks, Nora, thanks so much.
Angela Lombardo
Denver, Colo.
A. Wilk
Jan Tilley
As Riki Wilchins states, “A bigoted assault like Ms. Vincent’s on any other segment of our community--lesbians, Jews, people with AIDS, blacks, overweight people, or Latinas--would rightfully be deemed intolerable but apparently it’s still Open Season on genderqueers.”
I am a hard-working, fast-climbing male IT professional who just happens to have been born female. I am as queer as anyone else who claims the label. I do not want to have to read about how sick and twisted I am in the pages of a major queer publication!
Please consider your trans readers before publishing something so damaging again.
Tyler J van Vierzen
Americans who transcend narrow gender stereotypes face enormous discrimination--on the job, on the street, from bashers and from the police. It is unconscionable that The Advocate--while bitterly fighting Dr. Laura’s characterization of some queers as “biological errors”--would now print a piece attacking other queers as only self-mutilating and oppressive gender stereotypes.
A bigoted assault like Ms. Vincent’s on any other segment of our community--lesbians, Jews, people with AIDS, blacks, overweight people, or Latinas--would rightfully be deemed intolerable but apparently it’s still Open Season on genderqueers.
Riki Wilchins
Executive Director, GenderPAC
Cori Jaeger
It should have been published under the heading: Knows nothing, but has an opinion anyway. This article disappointed me to say the least; I had previously never failed to pick up a copy of the Advocate when the new issue hit the stands, and had always been impressed with the coverage and thought that went into the articles published. Far be it for me to hold you folks ultimately responsible for every bit of idiotic non-educated prejudice the queer community still holds about things that they don’t understand, but PUBLISHING this bigoted trash is another issue altogether. I literally laughed out loud at the ‘transsexuals mutilating their bodies’ rhetoric that passed off the spoo in this goofy article as an up to date community opinion piece. I thought the term ‘Draconian’ applied far more to the baseless prejudice and lack of education of the writer of the piece, rather than the Transsexual community itself. The thing that folks who hold her view (prejudice without education) in the gay and lesbian community find the most offensive about Trans people is that they generally call them on this type of idiotic thought, rather than embracing the kick-in-the-teeth from a group that considers themselves ‘one step up the ladder’ in the societal ‘crap trickles downhill theory’. I am assuming since The Advocate has begun to publish fear and loathing as valid opinion, we can soon look forward to pieces speaking against Interracial relationships (can’t have that race mixing goin’ on, dontchaknow), Liberals (let’s have the Log Cabin Republicans write a piece on how politics should be), ooooo! let’s also have some pieces written about how those dang differently-abled queer people should be kept off the streets so the general populace won’t think we look like them, either! It’s far more radical to stay at home and work on the down low, right?? Or maybe you can just give Ms. Vincent her own monthly column to rail against all the other groups she knows nothing about, but is squicked by anyway. There’s an idea.
Then I won’t feel so bad about passing up the next issue of the Advocate. Because the idiocy will be right there out in the open, rather than passed off as intelligent journalism.
Dominic Parker
I will also copy this article, and pass it on to other people who are thinking about subscribing. I would hope that after reading such an obviously prejudicial piece will affect their decision. Not everyone thinks respect for different groups, and not tolerating ignorant slander in print is ‘Draconian’. And speaking of ‘Draconian’, has dear Ms Vincent looked in a mirror lately? This piece struck me as being written by someone who also thinks jokes about black people/polish people/anyone who doesn’t fall into her own category are funny and worth retelling. I was most disappointed to see this in The Advocate. I can’t imagine how you could have read this and thought it was worthy of publication.
So why, as adults, do transsexuals mutilate their bodies in order to make >them conform to the fashionable version of the opposite sex and gender? I am not conforming to anything fashionable when I transition, I am making my body something that I am comfortable with. I do not see it as mutilation. If you had a tumor on your arm would you have it removed? Even if it were benign, why because it doesn’t belong on your body that’s why.
That only reinforces oppressive stereotypes every bit as much as liposuction or a bimbo’s boob job. If you’re a man in a woman’s body, then live androgynously I am not androgynous, so why would I want to live androgynously? That is as logical as saying you are homosexual and you know you are but because society does not accept you pretend you are straight.
If you’re such a revolutionary. don’t conform. I do it every day, and it isn’t particularly easy. Half the time I’m sir, and half the time I’m ma’am, and that’s how it should be when sex and gender don’t matter. If you truly want to thwart gender norrns, don’t pull a fast one on the dictionary or your poor blameless privates. Live with all the polymorphy God gave you, body and soul. It’s a lot more radical.
And how absurd to think one could declare one’s own gender identity !! imagine if people were allowed to choose their own gender .. how confusing !!! what bathrooms would they use? how would we segregate them? what if many of the little boys wanted to wear dresses and play with dolls instead of build forts? how would we defend our country in the future? what if some little girls wanted to build the forts .. how would we prepare them for infant care? I apologize if i’m starting to sound straight.
how can you not know what sex you are ?? It’s like sexual orientation ; you’re born with it !!! right?? Why can’t they just be who they really are and act normal?
Thank gawdness for the enlightened journalism emanating from the bowels of the gay community; Let’s continue to put gendertrash in its proper container.
any thoughts? any thinking at all?
Sara Wetherbee
Reston, Va.
Adding insult to injury, Ms. Vincent goes on to claim that transexuals, “the most draconian arm of the PC language police,” merely “reinforce oppressive stereotypes.” She closes by recommending transpeople forgo sex-related medical services and instead simply “live androgynously,” a notion all but indistinguishable from so-called reparative therapists’ exhortations that gay people simply live as straight. GenderPAC has tracked almost one gender-based murder a month for the past year. Said Riki Wilchins, GenderPAC’s Executive Director, “By holding up such people for ridicule, by deprecating them as nothing more than self-mutilating freaks, Ms. Vincent only justifies the hate and helps make the next murder that much more likely.”
“Americans who transcend narrow gender stereotypes face enormous discrimination--on the job, on the street, from bashers and from the police,” added Ms. Wilchins. “It is unconscionable that The Advocate, while bitterly fighting Dr. Laura’s characterization of some queers as ‘biological errors,’ would now print a piece attacking other queers as only self-mutilating and oppressive gender stereotypes. “A bigoted assault like Ms. Vincent’s on any other segment of our community--lesbians, Jews, people with AIDS, blacks, overweight people, or Latinas--would rightfully be deemed intolerable but apparently it’s still Open Season on genderqueers.”
Merry Met!
Kim Rogers
Donna M. Cartwright
Founding member New York Association for Gender Rights Advocacy (NYAGRA)
I am a transsexual man, and resent Ms. Vincent referring to me or any of my transsexual brothers and sisters as and I quote, “the draconian arm of the PC police,” as well as stating that we as transsexual men and women, alter our bodies and again I quote, “in order to make them conform to the fashionable version of the opposite sex and gender,” end quote. Ms. Vincent goes on to imply in her self-righteous attempt to “clear the air and set the record straight”, for anyone who might still have some lingering doubt as to the true validity of the transsexuals existence and role in society, that in a nutshell, we choose to be harassed, ostracized, beaten, murdered, and basically ignored by society as a whole, in order that we might make some sort of a fashion statement and for the sake of conformity?
I might ask Ms. Vincent the age old question, did she choose to be a Lesbian? After all, she is implying that we as transsexuals have chosen our paths, and that if we “really wanted to, we could change who we are, and how we feel and respond to these feelings,” does this kind of ideology sound at all familiar?
Ms. Vincent goes on to say, that the transsexual community is “helping to reinforce oppressive stereotypes, every bit as much as liposuction or a bimbo’s boob job.” Now ... please allow my self mutilating transsexual mind, to get this straight: ah ... we are not only trying to make a fashion statement, but we are also helping to reinforce oppressive stereotypes, oh and this is rich, we also want to be radical revolutionaries ... thank very much for the education Ms. Vincent.
Please understand my sarcasm and anger here, I am completely miffed and am having trouble rapping my mind around such unconscionable baseless banter, and frankly, Ms. Vincent’s arrogance in thinking that it is perfectly acceptable to make blanket statements about a particular group, has left me at a complete loss.
How dare Ms. Vincent even presume to speak about a community that is not a part of and that she obviously does not know the first thing about. I can only imagine what Ms. Vincent’s response to this letter would be, “Well, it’s all right, some of my best friends are transsexuals,” does this too not sound familiar?
Ms. Vincent truly shows her ignorance and apparently wares her discomfort of the transsexual community, like some sort of a protective badge. I say protective, because judging by self-assured tone in the article, and by the fact that your magazine did print the it, that she believes that everyone will not agree with her line of thinking, but will also defend it, and so she feels perfectly safe and free of consequence.
If anyone had dared to use any of the derogatory words or outdated descriptions that Ms. Vincent used in order to describe a person of color or anyone in the Gay, Lesbian, Bi, or Hermaphrodite community, the so called PC police would have been all over it, and rightly so! Why then is this kind of bashing of the transsexual community being tolerated and allowed to persist, especially in your supposedly inclusive magazine!
I dare say that by printing this article, you are encouraging intolerance and allowing that the transsexual community will continue to be an easy target for the ignorant and misinformed. We are NOT second class citizens, and deserve your respect and not your ridicule.
Your magazine has indeed done a great disservice to a wonderful community of people, who would easily be a perfectly willing and understanding ally, in the Gay communities fight for equality and humanity, as we share many of the same issues and a need for the same basic freedoms that we are all entitled to as human beings.
I would like to know, where on earth does Ms. Vincent get off saying that we in the transsexual community endure all of societies crap on a daily basis in order to, “thwart gender roles and pull a fast one as she puts it, on the dictionary or our poor blameless private parts.” Frankly, I am very disturbed by the fact that your very respected and always responsible magazine, found space for this kind of Anita Bryant holier than thou garbage. Your magazine is the last place that I would expect to see such intolerance, I’m greatly disappointed.
In closing, I would encourage Ms. Vincent as well as The Advocate, to educate yourselves on the transsexual community and experience, so that your readers will have up to date and accurate information, rather than the erroneous and incorrect ramblings of a Dinosaur. You might also consider adding a transsexual man or women to your esteemed writing staff. Lastly, I would thank Ms. Vincent not to presume that she may address the transsexual community in any way, unless she is willing to be a part of the solution and not the problem. Thank you.
Augustino Matisse Alvarez
transsexual man and proud of it
How dare Vincent *define* for anyone the reason for a transsexual to modify their physical form, never mind in the simplistic and incorrect manner that she did. Her essay exuded ignorance and discomfort and should never have been published by any magazine which perceives itself to be any kind of friend to the transsexual community. Any of the things she said have been said by homophobes about gays and lesbians in the past and thus should not have been missed by the editors. Or is she immune to such oversight?
Shame on you, Advocate!
Sky Lesbian Avengers of Boston
I have always held THE ADVOCATE in the highest regard. When I read Norah Vincent’s article I almost choked on my coffee. How could you allow such trash to be published in THE ADVOCATE??????? Undoubtalble she doesn’t understand the difference between sex and gender, although she pretends to,and/or may not be well educated insex and gender, even though shepretends to be one. (you figure it out). I’m not going to waste my time debating her on her sloppy editorialism and her misunderstanding of sex and gender. She should learn to research her topics to the extent that she understands what she is writing about. It’s really a wonder why we in the Transsexual community have anything do to with you in the GLB. You are no better than the rest of thetransphobic jerks in this world. I have been hesitant about joining the current movement to disassociate the Transsexual community from the GLB community.Now, with statements like Ms Vincent’s, I have decided,like a large number of postops in our community, that we don’t need the liability the GLB poses.
Leeanne Mackowski
Much as we all might wish to see major changes in what modern society sees as sexual difference, that wished-for scenario has not yet come to be. Males and females are viewed and treated differently in the world in which we live. Those transsexuals who truly see themselves as members of the other sex wish to be regarded by the world in general as belonging to the sex of choice, not merely as a person of questionable sexual identity or as a third sex. Depending on the transsexual’s attitude toward his/her own body, s/he might very well want to have the genitals surgically altered, in addition to dressing and living as the other sex.
It isn’t a case of simply wanting to be an activist on the cutting edge of gender identification. It’s a case of wanting your own body to match the image of what you feel yourself truly to be, in the deepest part of your heart and soul.
And while we’re at it, let’s also make it clear that gender identity and sexual orientation are separate things. In the sex or gender of their choice, transsexuals may just as easily be gay or bisexual, rather than straight. Transsexualism is an extremely complex topic and it won’t simply be made to go away by telling people to dress ambiguously and be content with that.
Kerry Lindemann-Schaefer
New Bern, N.C.
David Patterson
San Mateo, Calif.
I’m happy to read that Vincent opposes “corrective” surgery for intersexed infants and relishes living androgynously (“Half the time I’m sir, and half the time I’m ma’am, and that’s how it should be when sex and gender don’t matter.”). But she has no business telling transsexuals how to manage their identities or their lives. Her assumptions that all transgendered people are “the most draconian arm of the PC language police” or “mutilate their bodies in order to make them conform to the fashionable version of the opposite sex and gender” are so deeply stupid they are bound to engender more laughter than offense.
Each of us ought to have the right to decide what sort of gender expression feels most congruent with our own self-image. And we ought to have the generosity and decency to support one another for making those often difficult choices. There is no one right answer. If you are gender dysphoric enough, there is nothing “mutilating” about taking hormones or getting surgery. I doubt Vincent would attack an asthmatic or a diabetic for using medical science in order to make themselves feel better. Would she piss such poison at the thought of a woman who’s had a radical mastectomy undergoing breast reconstruction? Frankly, she sounds like a repressed and enraged FTM who has not yet gotten up the courage to stick a needle full of testosterone in his butt. Vincent, honey, the world is not going to give you any brownie points for making yourself miserable this way.
It really is tedious of The Advocate to print simple-minded and hateful stuff like this when there are so many people publishing thoughtful and interesting queer theory about the performance of gender. Vincent is simply recycling the same banal crap that Janice Raymond threw at us all when she published The Transsexual Empire. VIncent should be retired until she gets a full series of rabies shots. A formal course in deportment would not hurt her either.
Patrick Califia-Rice
Jim: Please feel free to pass this letter on to whomever. Now they can threaten to kill us both. Like this is new for us old queers--coming from within the ranks it hurts.
Michela Richard
I don’t even know where to begin and I hope you will be kind enough to read this letter to the end and I would welcome your comments in person, through e-mail or on the phone.
This mud slinging in our community around differences of opinion has got to stop. I believe that, to quote Warren J. Blumenfield (editor of International Journal of Sexuality and Gender Studies and “Homophobia: How We All Pay the Price) “We have crossed a critical line when we enter into character assassination, insinuation, innuendo, name calling, stereotyping, defamation and calling into question one another’s motives for the opinions we hold. When reading these personal attacks on our own, I have to ask myself , have some of us taken on the characteristics of our abusers by perpetrating the abuse? And what role does internalized oppresssion play in this equation?
I am going to say a few words about Jim and then I want to have my say on why I support him in his questioning and plea for an open dialogue on certain issues concerning the transgender movement.
I have known Jim since 1969. He was the only gender variant male at the time who addressed the idea that lesbians were dismissed as irrelevent in the gay liberation movement. He was one of the few gay males who gave credence to the full participation lesbians, and of what were then called “drag queens,” in the gay activist movement...much to the dismay of GAA. In spite of being constantly harrassed by other members of the GLF and GAA he persisted in moving us to participate in consciousness raising groups which made us see that single issue politics were not how were were going to grow and change - he actively challenged us all to involve GLF and GAA in coalition politics with the Vietnam antiwar movement, the Young Lords, the Black Panthers and YES, the Women’s Liberation Movement. To this day, I believe that is why he continues to be vilified by former GAA and even some GLF members.
I think it says something about Jim’s adherence to feminist principles, that >when Rita Mae and I left the GLF in total frustration and anger in 1970 to organize lesbians, who at that time where still not considered a serious part of the gay movement, that Jim was the only male from GLF or GAA that I have remained friends with for over 30 years. I have many fond memories of actions taken in those early days where he clearly put his life on the line and was arrested along with myself and others in GLF and they know who they are. They know how we fought the police in 1972 when INTRO 405 (the first gay rights bill) was presented to the City Council and we got beaten and chained to the City Hall fence. I’m not going to go on and on, I can’t answer all of Jims detractors but I can say I know Jim, I know his questioning comes from his heart and I know above all his love for his brothers and sisters in the gay community. Richard, I know it seems like a small uneventful thing now - but we risked out lives in that first gay pride march up 6th Avenue in 1970. I truly believe that Jim carries with him that spirit in everything he does.
Now to the controversy about transgendered individuals. As a licensed social worker/psychotherapist - NYS license # 055006-1 06/30/02 I have worked with many individuals with Gender Identity Disorder. I am very knowledgable on Gender Identity studies and have years of training in this matter.
Transgendered people suffer tremendous discrimination in our society, the same type of discrimination GENDER VARIANT GAY INDIVIDUALS SUFFER, such as BUTCH LESBIANS, SISSY BOYS etc. Do I, or Jim see this as a form of discrimination and understand that these individuals are subject to hate crimes- YES! Would we fight for their right to demand full rights as citizens - YES! Would we work with them as a coalition side by side- YES.
NOW LET’S LOOK AT WHAT THE REAL CONTROVERSY IS.
The controversy as I see it, it that no one wants to discuss what the political ramifications of encouraging a gender variant gay man or lesbian to physically change their body and thus identify as a heterosexual (straight) man(woman) of transsexual experience within a queer movement. I will discuss my feelings about MTF who identify as lesbians later in this letter. When the Director of the Gender Identity Project at the Gay & Lesbian Community Center defines herself as “A straight woman of transsexual experience within a queer movement” I take umbrage with that. Would I applaud her right to do what she wants to do with her body - YES. Do I think she deserves all the rights and dignity given to any other straight citizen - YES. Would I fight for those rights with a coalition of Transgendered straights - YES.
Do I want her influencing other young gay men and women who are gender dysphoric or gender variant - ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND THIS IS WHY. I believe that the physical and chemical manipulation of the body to conform to the outward heterosexual appearance of the opposite gender is another form of blatant homophobia. We as homosexuals should be fighting for the right to accept gender varance of all forms and orientations. We should not be attacking those within our community who QUESTION THE MOTIVES of the MEDICAL COMMUNITY, the MEDIA and the POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHT in encouraging gays and lesbians to spend thousands of dollars to become “straight” men and women. That for me is the crux of this controversy. NOT WHETHER TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST. For me, as a licensed social worker, a health care professional it would be criminal to continue to fight for gay men and womens rights to surgically and chemically transform their bodies ON DEMAND, without years of psychosocial preparation and informed choice. No matter how you cook it Richard, it’s still going to be squash. When it comes to MAKING MONEY I never heard of the Medical Commujnity saying -” well hold on here now, how is that going to effect that community” “FIRST DO NO HARM” - HAH!! When it comes to the medical community and US, it has always been make money now and get a good PR person when the truth becomes known.
Lets look at some known facts. In 1992, Dr. Paul McHugh, Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins (home of the now defunct Gender Identity Clinic) “lambasted transsexual surgery as the most radical therapy ever encouraged by twentieth century psychiatrists and likened its popularity to the once widespread practice of frontal lobotomies”. Mc Hugh has long believed that psychiatrists should treat such patients through talking cures, not radical, irreversible surgeries. Under Mc Hugh, Dr. John Meyer, head of the Gender Identity Clinic, produced a long term follow up of post operative and pre-operative transsexuals treated at Johns Hopkins since the clinic was founded in 1966. Meyer concluded that none showed any measurable improvement in their lives and concluded that sexual reassignment surgery confers NO OBJECTIVE ADVANTAGE in terms of social rehabilitation. This paper was published in the Atrchives of General Psychiatry in 1979. The Johns Hopkins Gender Identity Clinic was closed shortly thereafter. The above bears out the research found in the 1951 PH’D thesis of Dr. John Money, the founder of the Gender Identity Clinic - “of particular interest are the study’s in depth interviews with intersex individuals who received no surgery or hormone treatments until they were old enough to make their own decision. Their lives only strengthened the investigators impression that the condition of the genitalia plays a strikingly INSIGNIFICANT part in the way a person develops a stable and healthy gender identity, not to mention a secure and confident self image. FAR FROM MANIFESTING PSYCHLOGICAL TRAUMA AND MENTAL ILLNESS, the study showed, the majority of patients not only made an adequate adjustment to life, but lived in a way virtually indistinguishable from people without genital difference - a result that clearly amazed the author”
Barry Winchell loved Calpernia Addams knowing full well she was a man - “The sexual reassignment surgery, he seemed totally like he didn’t care whether it happened or not. When she could accept the fact that Barry Winchell was a gay man who loved her as a GENDER VARIANT GAY MAN - “I felt comfortable that he wasn’t going to use me as a bridge. “Among the transgendered women here in Nashville, we have a jaded understanding of the ‘way it is’, she (Addams) says. And one of the cold hard facts that we understand is that a lot of straight men who are attracted to us are actually closeted gay men and they may not even have admitted it to themselves. We bring them into the gay community and introduce them to people and they start to get comfortable, and the next little step is they leave us behind and start dating men. It’s really lonely.”
In the article Bill Turner was quoted as saying “Calpernia Addams has really fallen victim to our (the gay community’s) limitations” Barry Winchell loved Calpernia as a man, plain and simple - no limitations - when she introduced hin as heterosexual he corrected her. Who in the gay community is making it difficult to let us be as loving towards our gender variant brothers and sisters. When Kathi Westcott (the staff attorney for the Service members Legal Defense Fund said “A lot of people just don’t get that this woman has male parts. It was a difficult connection to make for people, even in the gay community” WHO IN THE GAY COMMUNITY IS MAKING THAT HAPPEN RICHARD. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE LIMITATIONS. WHY CAN’T WE HAVE A LOVING DIALOGUE ON THIS.
Richard, I ask you to consider what I’ve said in terms of the violence we do to each other verbally over this issue. I ask you to consider the wisdom of opting for surgery, hormonal and medical intervention with young gays and lesbians in light of some of the facts presented above.
And now that I’ve talked about he boys I ‘d like to have my say, as a lesbian, abouy Brandon Teena. Brandon Teena was a physical woman. She was killed because she was a dyke who passed her self off as a boy. I was Brandon Teena except I came to New York City. If I had gone to Lincoln, Nebraska I would have done just what she did and probably with the same results. Have we lost all common sense. It it really that unacceptable to be a lesbian that now we have to make transgendered martyrs out of any woman who passes for a man to survive in a homophobic world. Here is a direct quote “During a one-on-one counseling session with Deb Brodtke, a mental health clinician who would later see Teena as an outpatient, she talked about wanting to be a male to not have to deal with the negative connotations of being a lesbian and because she felt less intimidated by men when she presented herself as a male” (From page 83 of All She Wanted by Aphrodite Jones, Pocket Books, 1996).. HELLO!!! CAN ANY OTHER LESBIAN IDENTIFY. How have we come so far from the days of diversity within the movement. That was what separated us from the narrow confines of the heterosexual community - our rainbow of diversity and gender variance. Now we are all fighting to to become those narrowly defined gender roles. What has happened to us Richard.
Yours in Sisterhood and Love, Michela Griffo, Proud Butch Lesbian
Once again the likes of Ms. Vincent recycle that old tale of Transsexuals “mutilating their bodies”. As a T-woman or, “Woman of Transsexual Experience”, I see my reassignment as corrective surgery. I do not accept the old tired story of transsexuals as terrified homosexuals, since I am attracted to women. Believe me, I tried going with men, it would have been so much simpler being gay. I would not face the constant rejection by so many in the lesbian community My experiences have shown me two very basic and simple things : 1. There is no good reason for me to align myself with the “Transgender” community. I do not identify as a third sex / gender. I am a woman. 2. There is no future being the “T” in LGBT. Allowing myself to be defined by the L/G majority of the “rainbow” will forever keep me a “poor relation”. I refuse to continue to picket HRC for T inclusion in ENDA. I can no longer listen to folks who dub me a pioneer”--how many of those do we need? The likes of Ms. Vincent just proves (again) that a “different” difference will not be tolerated, that even people who are willing to die for self-definition do not hesitate to define others. The Rainbow has once again become black and white.
Tina Eleanor Sokol
Ben A. Barres, M.D., Ph.D. Associate Professor of Neurobiology Stanford University School of Medicine
If you print Vincent’s writing you will be trying to place a splitting wedge in the Queer body. May you think better of it and withdraw.
Your actions will reap either the damnation of all Queers if these harmful thoughts see the light of day, or the admiration of all Queers for your muteing of this horrible article.
MotherEdwards@usQueers.com
Gender ambiguity is not sanctioned and is surgically enforced on helpless infants by doctors who believe there are only two sexes or genders and that in between is unacceptable. Then you have the people Ms. Vincent writes about who identify differently than our culture would like and who alter their bodies so as not to feel the awkwardness of living in a body whose cultural meaning is not in sync with their emotions. Ms. Vincent seems to feel that this self imposed mutilation is bad, though I imagine she is not fighting the use of hormones in post-menopausal women, circumcision of unwilling infants, or the mutilation of the thousands of children who are sliced into the gender of the urologists choosing.
Perhaps if we spent more time focusing on the real problems of the world (like overpopulation, which is inhibited by people who voluntarily give up reproductive capability) and stopped pointing fingers at each other, we might live in a more vibrant, living world. For instance, if Ms. Vincent thinks that transsexuals parody gender in a way she finds offensive, perhaps she could talk to him or her and ask them, in the same way one might to any woman or man who takes their gender too seriously, to not accept the cultures representation and to instead find their own means of expressing themselves.
For Ms. Vincent to be so concerned about the ultimate political correctness of transsexuals, it seems that she is herself attempting to preserve the last bit of political correctness by insisting on an idea that science will soon do away with, gender as a link to reproductive capacities.
Please realize, Ms. Vincent, that people struggle to fight the tides society would have us swim in because it is important to them. If people denied their own feelings, which is what it sounds like you are suggesting, then they will never become the totality of themselves and our society, as a result, will be stunted in it’s growth. If society encouraged androgyny, perhaps it would be different. We need to be inclusive rather than divisive if any of us are to see the top of our oppressor’s foot.
I agree with you that some in the gender community can be very picky about their pronouns and are insistent that others share in their reshaping of cultural boundaries. It is difficult to criticize them for that since their community has to live under the image that the members who inhabit this grey area are often told that it is in their heads, they just don’t get it, or are diagnosed as gender disphoric by the medical establishment. That, in the face of all of this harassment, these brave souls defy our culture in maintaining their beliefs is a testament to humanity rather than a detraction.
“A bigoted assault like Ms. Vincent’s on any other segment of our community--lesbians, Jews, people with AIDS, blacks, overweight people, or Latinas--would rightfully be deemed intolerable but apparently it’s still Open Season on genderqueers.” (GPAC) I invite Norah to “Transgender Unity 2000” at the Ed gould Plaza on June 18 to talk to the transgender community to ascertain the truth about the transgender community.
Lori Norman
Los Angeles, Calif.
Kim Rogers
Retired Psychotherapist
THE GAY DR. LAURA: HATE SPEECH BY ANY OTHER NAME
Coming hot on the heels of three transgender murders in the last ten weeks, the June 20th issue of The Advocate features columnist Norah Vincent attacking transexuals for “mutilating their bodies.”
Adding insult to injury, Ms. Vincent goes on to claim that transexuals, “the most mdraconian arm of the PC language police,” merely “reinforce oppressive stereotypes.” She closes by recommending transpeople forgo sex-related medical services and instead simply “live androgynously,” a notion all but indistinguishable from so-called reparative therapists’exhortations that gay people simply live as straight.
GenderPAC has tracked almost one gender-based murder a month for the past year. Said Riki Wilchins, GenderPAC’s Executive Director, “By holding up such people for ridicule, by deprecating them as nothing more than self-mutilating freaks, Ms. Vincent only justifies the hate and helps make the next murder that much more likely.”
“Americans who transcend narrow gender stereotypes face enormous discrimination--on the job, on the street, from bashers and from the police,” added Ms. Wilchins. “It is unconscionable that The Advocate--while bitterly fighting Dr. Laura’s characterization of some queers as ‘biological errors’--would now print a piece attacking other queers as only self-mutilating and oppressive gender stereotypes.
“A bigoted assault like Ms. Vincent’s on any other segment of our community--lesbians, Jews, people with AIDS, blacks, overweight people, or Latinas--would rightfully be deemed intolerable but apparently it’s still Open Season on genderqueers.”
Write The Advocate and Ms. Vincent to educate them that all of us--gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender--deserve the right to express our gender orientation free from ridicule, bigotry, and violence.
Gender Public Advocacy Coalition is the national organization working to guarantee every American’s civil right to express their gender free from stereotypes, discrimination and violence.
Because of the uninformed things that she said, I feel that she has earned the name “The Gay Dr. Laura.” Uninformed, ignorant and uncaring, she should have no professional standing, most especially in the communities that are all so hated by the Religious Wrong. What’s wrong with her? Does she have so much to elevate herself (like the “Jim Crow” party) by having someone, anyone else, to hate?
I call for her to learn about the Transgendered community before she writes another single piece about anything. It is wrong for someone who influences so many people to not know what she is talking about. Just plain wrong. And I don’t mean spend an hour in a TG bar, either. I mean meet at least a hundred of us, and really get to know some of us. She is a bad choice to write about Trans-People; somehow, lesbians just irrationally hate us more than most.
Papers like The Advocate are supposed to be about freedom to be who we are, and most certainly NOT about elevating one group of people above another. If you’re going to print things like this, then you should run “Dr.” Laura right alongside.
The paper should either send her to be with the “Jim Crow” party, or to learn about Trans-People, and NOT be infecting people with “Dr.” Laura-like material. More hate will not ever help, and gay and lesbian people need to remember they’re just as hated and looked-down-upon as we are. It’s especially bad for the communities to show such division, when we are supposed to be working together.
I’ve included a picture of me to PROVE that a lot of us Trans-People don’t get much choice in things. Gives us visibly queer people a break, and get the hate out of your paper! We don’t need to be getting bashed and killed because someone else is ignorant. Especially one of our own.
Diana S. McLean
Maybe that is why I was the target for taunting in grade school. Maybe that is why after a successful career as executive, I couldn’t even get a Federal government job even when I was overqualified. Oh, and they were an “Equal Opportunity Employer” . So even before I had my surgery, living androgynously, I still didn’t meet some bigot’s definition. I guess he or she had not been informed by Ms. Vincent. Maybe that is why people feel that it is socially acceptable to demean, degrade and all to frequently physically assault transgender people. I guess we didn’t get their permission to exist.
Her view is an update of the “Transsexual Empire” which sees all transsexual woman as the unwitting tools of a male dominated medical elite playing God. Hey, Barbie I’m not. I have three children to raise. I have a place in my community.
Let’s face facts gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, we are all sexual minorities. There are far to many ignorant people who target us for us to be divided among ourselves. They may becoming for me today, but the forces of reaction want all of us back in the closet or worse.
So, Ms. Vincent, lighten up. It is the Trent Lotts of the world that are going to harm you, not me and my transgender brothers and sisters.
Antonia Gilligan
Jersey City, NJ
In the meantime, the transgendered community rarely has any opportunity to represent itself. The Advocate is well-positioned to make self-representation the standard, without the embellishment of “balanced opposing views” that regurgitate popular hatred.
The fact that she is a lesbian does not make such bigotry more tolerable, or make The Advocate an appropriate forum for it. The right to decide how your body can be used is at the heart not just of the lesbian/gay movement, but also of the women’s movement. For Vincent to take such a proprietary view of other peoples’ bodies is a betrayal of the accomplishments of the lesbian, gay and women’s movements in the last century.
Shame on you for printing this shit.
Donald Grove
Harm Reduction Coalition
Deb Friedman
Takoma Park, MD
Stephanie Friedman Chicago, IL
We are not “self-mutilating freaks” as stated in this hate article. If this female knew anything about us she could not make such a rash statement. She is far from a woman and not near a lady. Maybe it is time that we as a LGBT community try bashing some straight heads in return. Maybe that would bring some light to the situation. However as a LGBT community we are not violent hate-mongers like Vincent, Fawell, Laura, and the membership of the Southern Baptist religion. We would like all people to live lives free from oppression.
If your publication has any credibility you will publish a retraction of this article. Failure to do this will result in a loss of support for you people and publication amoung the trans community and by those in the LGB communities that have pride.
Terrianne Summers
Jacksonville, FL
Paula Kirlin
Indianapolis, IN
All of us - lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, two spirit, same-gender-loving - deserve respect and deserve the right to express our gender orientation free from ridicule, bigotry, and violence. Please educate yourselves on this issue before you do further pain and damage to all of us. Thank you.
Neena Hemmady
Chicago, IL
Norah, honey, I think the GLBT community have enough problems without one of our own sisters turning on us in such a way. While I am not trans, my lover IS, and I KNOW that this wasn’t a concious choice for her. I know that my girlfriend ISN’T mutilating herself.
I am handicapped. I was walking home from a bar one night 3 and a half years ago when I was hit by a drunk driver. I had no desire to be handicapped, it just happened. Do you think that if I could change it, I would? But I can’t. There’s no use crying over it.
But there is no way you can convince me that people in the trans community woke up one day and said “Y’know, I think I’m going to make my life 20 times as difficult as it is today. I’m going to change my sex! Brilliant!” The trans community do not choose their fates.
For your very own Dr. Laura-esque columnist to imply that we have any control over how we feel is, to put itt kindly, possibly the most insulting piece of crap I’ve been handed in a long time. How dare you state that the trans sommunity is “the most draconian arm of the PC language police,” only “reinforce oppressive stereotypes”?
Please, in the future, stop giving the strait community more fuel. If we sepharate, the whole GLBT community is just going to fall apart- all of us! We don’t need Dr. Lauras in our ranks!
L. Bourn
Allston, MA
To whom it may concern:
Have any of your staff recieved a letter like the one I have attached below? I am very upset about the publishing of the recent article by Norah Vincent. It’s really hard for me to believe that The Advocate would publish a column that seems to splinter the LBGT community, rather than unite it. As a transexual, I have always felt myself to be a valuable and wanted part of the gay community, but it’s getting harder to maintain that opinion when the standard-bearer of queer journalism chooses to run such an obviously exclusive and hateful article. Aren’t we all on the same side when we go to Pride Fest events, march on government for the rights we deserve, and attend at the bedsides of friends that are struggling with AIDS? I will continue to do those things in support of my queer brothers and sisters but it seems obvious that Ms. Vincent and others who might have been swayed by the column you published will not be so quick to lend a hand to a significant portion of our community.
So what’s next? Can we have an article for the next issue that criticizes bisexuals and calls for their removal from the gay community rosters for not being able to make up their minds? I’m not saying people should not have opinions or the ability to express them. As we all know, people are born with certain biological parts in common and opinions seem to be among them. I only ask The Advocate to use caution when deciding on the kind of content they offer, and decide if it runs contrary to our community’s ultimate aims.
Donna
Justin Cascio
Amanda Macomber
Philadelphia, PA
Robin Ann Dixson
Arizona
In my opinion Ms. Vincent’s entire article held up such people for ridicule in a very unjust manner. She paints them as nothing more than self-mutilating freaks and that is a totally unjust picture.
Transexuals can no more live within the bodies in which they were born without bringing them into line with who they feel they really are inside than a gay or lesbian person can “go straight”. To try to tell them to live androgonously is a moronic simplification of their situation and an insult as well.
According to GenderPAC there has been almost one gender-based murder a month for the past year. In my humble opinion, bigoted viewpoints such as Ms. Vincent’s only serve to justify the hate that fuels those kind of actions and makes the next murder that much more possible. I think before she expresses such a prejudicial opinion again she should give that idea some serious thought.
Jay F.
Katze Ludeke
Facilitator of Queer Youth Exist http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/queeryouthexist
Rhian Cope
Sabrina
Ms. Vincent closes by recommending that transpeople forgo sex-related medical services and instead simply “live androgynously,” a notion all but indistinguishable from so-called reparative therapists’ exhortations that gay people simply live as straight. If cancer patients would forego medical services and live a healthy life instead, they would be much happier, and society would save a great deal of money on their unnecessary medical treatment.
It’s so nice to have enlightened people and media organizations sit in judgement and tell the rest of us how to dress, behave, think, and generally live our lives. How has our diverse society survived so long without the moral guidance and judgements of “The Advocate” and its columnists?
No doubt Ms. Vincent and “The Advocate” are unhappy that more transexuals are not eliminated by other enlightened moralists.
Shame on you.
The amount of information that Ms. Vincent apparently fails to grasp about the reality of trans people is tremendous. That those trans people who alter their bodies do so because, like virtually all human beings, they want to be comfortable in their skin and present themselves in a way that is true to them. That not all trans people identify as either male or female and that even those of us who do, do not conform to rigid notions about sex and gender or sexual orientation but rather, are bridging all sorts of gaps in the understanding of human nature, sex and gender.
The one thing about Ms. Vincent’s column that struck me most is that it is just another version of the oppressed become the oppressor. I certainly hope that her views do not become a regular feature of The Advocate - or of the broader G/L community.
Spencer Bergstedt
Attorney at Law
Recently, the Advocate, in a move that belies its name, ran a hate column attacking transsexuals, and calling for them to “hide” themselves in a life of androgyny rather than doing whatever they deemed necessary to be comfortable and at peace with themselves. I was wondering, will a column about homosexuality written by a right-wing homophobe and calling for all homosexuals to go and get themselves cured, be running next month? I am sure that Ms. Vincent (hopefully I got the gender pronoun right), is an expert in those issues that she has personal experience in; such as being a lesbian. I am sure that she would take offense to anyone telling her that lesbianism is wrong, or that she needed to hide herself in a life of heterosexuality because her poorly researched lesbian-feminist rhetoric is an embarrassment to all the lesbians out there just living at peace with the world as themselves. Her writing about transsexuality, however, is similar to Jesse Helms or Pat Buchanan writing a column on what it means to be a homosexual from their personal experience. Please, for the sake of the credibility of your magazine, try to get people familiar with the word “Advocate” and the subject matter they write about, to your articles.
David Dahlgren
Jordan T Garcia
proud tranny punk
There were warning signs of the debacle before things turned out so badly. Somehow Ms. Vincent believes transsexuals misuse the terms for gender. Perhaps some do, but ultimately, it is Norah herself who abandons the distinction in her penultimate paragraph.
Instead of writing in an understanding and sympathetic vein, she turned judgmental and cruel. She reached into the bag of loaded words and phrases, and pulled out “mutilate their bodies” as a description of sex reassignment surgery. This is a phrase that is the key of bigotry against post-operative male-to-female transsexuals, who in some cisgendered venues are mocked as “pathetic mutilated men.” I am sure that Norah would contemptuously refer to female-to-male transsexuals as “pathetic mutilated women.”
A female-to-male transsexual is not a “man in a woman’s body.” No. Ms. Vincent doesn’t really get it at all. He would be a masculine man in a female body.
Let’s try a simple primer on gender and sex.
Masculine and feminine (plus androgynous, which is better than neuter, and bi-gendered, which covers some others), are terms that best fit the concept of gender identity.
Sex assignment is mostly male or female, though there is the category of the intersexed, whom Ms. Vincent dismisses as anomalies. Shame on you, Ms. Vincent, living in your own orientation glass house, for such a cavalier dismissal of perfectly natural variations on the human condition.
Gender expression is where we find man, woman, and perhaps androgyne, and perhaps genderbender.
Sexual orientation is best expressed in terms of “attracted to” the sex assignment or gender identity or gender expression of the sort of persons the individual being described might consider as a partner for intimate relations.
I am a feminine, male-bodied (for now) woman, primarily oriented toward women (which is not limited to natal-women/females!), but not entirely averse to Prince Charming turning up on his white horse. Perhaps one might consider me lesbian bordering on bisexual in classic terms.
But wait! Since I am male-bodied and attracted to women, doesn’t that make me <gasp!> heterosexual? Isn’t my situation something like the opposite of Calpernia Addams, the pre-operative transsexual woman who was involved with Pfc Barry Winchell before he was brutally murdered? Look at Calpernia as feminine, male-bodied (for now!), woman attracted to men, or male-bodied persons.
If one determines sexual orientation as a function of gender identity or gender expression, Calpernia and Barry were a heterosexual couple. If one determines orientation as a function of the shape of genitals, then at least until sex reassignment surgery, Calpernia and Barry would have been a gay couple.
Confused? Of course, it is confusing. Anyone who is involved with a transgendered or transsexual individual is going to have a severe case of orientation anxiety! Does it matter? If a couple (or a group) of people wish to express themselves intimately together, does it really matter what their gender identity is? Does the shape of their genitals really matter?
But back to Ms. Vincent!
Essentially, Norah strives to be open-minded and tolerant but fails miserably. Transsexuals who wish to conform to gender stereotypes by having their sex surgically reassigned are condemned as “mutilated.” Ms. Vincent would rather they come to terms with their bodies, despite their dysphoric feelings.
But she doesn’t seem to realize that there are people who are doing just what she advocates. These people are sometimes identified as transgenderists or non-op transsexuals.
Ms. Vincent does not appear to understand that there is a difference that drives transsexuals to surgery - and it isn’t pandering to gender stereotypes, as she seems to believe from her position as an outside observer. No, it is a matter of personal self-worth, or self-esteem. It may well have a sexual component, a wanting to be able to interact sexually with others, having genitals re-configured to suit.
An open-minded and tolerant person would recognize that there is a natural variation in the intensity of gender identity feeling, and that those with the most acute feelings will seek sex reassignment surgery, while others might be happy living as transgenderists.
Unfortunately, for my female-to-male brothers, the available bottom surgery is extremely expensive and not truly very efficacious from a performance point of view. For my male-to-female sisters, the surgical solutions are more realistic. Ultimately, we await developments with fetal stem cell research for better solutions in the future.
One area where Ms. Vincent is curiously silent is with regard to cross-sex hormone replacement therapy, which is an extremely important part of the sex reassignment process. Though there are limitations. Female-to-male treatment often results in deeper voice, beard growth, thicker body hair and male-pattern baldness. Male-to-female hormone treatment often results in breast development, softer and dryer skin, and some fat redistribution. Unfortunately, it doesn’t reduce the size of the vocal cords.
In any event, perhaps ninety percent of sex reassignment is accomplished hormonally. The “mutilation” of surgical intervention relates to the final bits of bodily modification that hormones just can’t deal with once the parts have grown in their original direction.
As a transsexual myself, I have a better idea of thes